Curse

MarkyX · Nov 11, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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How many players would stay in a game such as Quake 3 if ID suddenly decided rocket jumps and railguns had to go? You can't just (even indirectly, as this may be) strip previously attainable content and choice from a game and expect people to like it. It better get fixed and bloody fast.

Thing is, Railgun and Rocket Jumping took effort.

PvE didn't.

Aracos79 · Nov 11, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by yeaitsjim

Who are you to tell us that we cannot speak for ourselves? - Think also, that perhaps you are definately not inclued when we say "we or us". Also you do not speak for this "other majority you speak of", and we don't predend to speak for then as you have already, perhaps the average gamer knows nothing of these forums. So please, do not put us in "our place". This is a discussion here, and I would appreciate it if you were not to attack me, and those that share my opionins by calling us "ignorant" for having our own views.

I did not attack anyone specifically. I am simply referring to a "complex" that some forum posters seem to have where they believe that their opinion is the opinion of "everyone who plays the game". Of course you have the right to speak for yourself. I simply would like everyone in this discussion to keep in mind that they speak ONLY for themselves, not anybody else.

Fantus · Nov 11, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Sax Dakota

Well guess what guys. This forces people making parties to bring other classes in the mix. Necro/mesmer/ranger etc. So...if you were a mesmer prior you were screwed bottom line. Now, that they have made this update, mesmers/necros/rangers will be more popular.

My favorite toon to go into UW/FoW is a Mesmer...

... that said, I don't share your optimism. It's not that Mesmers have been made more ATTRACTIVE to other players (especially those who always thought that Mesmers suck). Nukers have been made more UNATTRACTIVE by the patch. I guess it's a lot more likely that nuker eles can now sit beside my Mesmer in ToA and wait ages until they get into a group while the typical cookie cutter group will take Earth and Water mages instead of the nukers. I am afraid the situation for Mesmers, Necros and Rangers won't improve much, here.

GWGuru · Nov 11, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Dude, requardless of what you think an RPG IS? I'm confused. Cause like bascially, I got these four dudes right, and when I log in I pick on right? Then after then I run around pretending to kill vitual stuff with a fake sword - humm I was thinking i was playing a role. I completely agree with Scott, and I don't understand why you have such animosity toward the poor guy. Because you don't have any skills to unlock, guess what you get to do, you get to run around and play with the AI that now runs around aimlessly when you sneeze one them. So please don't take out your lack of creativity on Scott or the rest of us.

When I played Mortal Kombat I had multiple characters I could choose from...does that make it an RPG??

When I play Zelda I run around slashing at stuff with my sword...does that make it an RPG??

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Not everyone wants to pvp to make money.

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You mean for the like 5% of the playerbase who actually play competitively enough to be able to win HoH?

... how are the other 95% of all GW players supposed to get their money from, then?

you could farm like everyone else does...I haven't found any problem since the patch farming Ettins, Griffons, Flesh Golems, Drakes, Trolls, Tengu Elite, Avacara....etc etc etc. I'm not sure why you have been.

Esuna · Nov 11, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Why do elitists like to come into a thread and give their holier-than-thou attitude, saying stuff along the lines of "Suck it up. Deal. Live with it. Shit happens.".. and all this other crap? You don't care, fine. But this is a forum, and we'd like to give our opinion. If you disagree, you can. There's a few others in this thread who have disagreed and voiced their views in a RESPECTFUL manner. If you did that, I'd appreciate it.

Sax Dakota · Nov 11, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Lets look at this logically.....what do you do, when you are getting hit by an aoe.....

If you are not liking the firestorm that is above your head...you move. Just like the enemies do now...so tell me why gw didn't have this coming. People have become too dependent on aoe, so, we'll have to adapt. Solo farming is still very possible. I can still do it. You just have to find out how.

~Sax

apocalypse_xx · Nov 11, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

And for those who are concerned (I won't say "whining" but others have

) about farming, why in Dwayna's name do you think you should be able to solo some of the highest level areas to farm? How realistic is that expectation? I mean, if you could in the past -- and if that wasn't intended or balanced -- does that mean it should be left for players to do so indefinitely? No criticism for farmers, not at all. But in a game built on strategy and teamwork, like Guild Wars, it simply doesn't seem to me that it's reasonable to ask to play the highest end content as a solo player.

Actually, Memphis, I too am not happy about the update, it is just that now I realize that solo play is not welcome on GW, as per the quote above, I also earned all the awesome things I have and I enjoyed very much playing the way I like to, but, I do believe that I play a contradictive style to what anet has had in mind for GW since it's very beginning

yeaitsjim · Nov 11, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Memphis

From the point of view of a player that farms and solos often, that's really the last thing I want

If none of my guild are online or need help then I'll play solo and/or farm. It keeps me occupied, it's fun, it's what I want to do.
If I cant farm or solo when noone's on, I won't log on. Simple as that.
Completely nerfing solo play can only drive players away.

Word Memphis word. You put the truth so simply.

Zaklex · Nov 11, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Oh gee, players are going to have to use their brains to play PvE now, isn't that just tragic, and so it might add a few minutes here and there to kill enemies, big deal. Learn to adapt, examine ALL of the skills available to your characters, create new builds.

Killing enemy mobs that just stand around is no fun, so now they retreat and re-attack, as long as you don't chase them, switch targets more often, make them come back to you sooner. Play intelligently, which I understand is hard for a lot of people as they just can't grasp that concept. From what I've seen the enemy doesn't run around willy nilly, but will run away and return to combat, and not always before regaining health.

The chances of this update being rolled back, IMO, nill.

yeaitsjim · Nov 11, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by GWGuru

When I played Mortal Kombat I had multiple characters I could choose from...does that make it an RPG??

When I play Zelda I run around slashing at stuff with my sword...does that make it an RPG??

Legend of Zelda: Four Swords RPGamer Awards 2002: Overall RPG of the Year

Should I continue?

Fantus · Nov 11, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by MarkyX

Thing is, Railgun and Rocket Jumping took effort.

PvE didn't.

And the update changed it in what way?

My first thought WAS "cool, they made PvE harder". Then I went into an area and saw how the critters reacted to my AoE spells... If this is HARDER, then only because it's harder to concentrate while laughing. The game got "harder" only in a way that there's no such thing as aggro control anymore. Which gets compensated by the new possiblity to get rid of an attacking mob by casting an AoE spell at them...

"Hard" is not the same thing as "chaotic" - which GW has become now.

blueyoda · Nov 11, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

Oh gee, players are going to have to use their brains to play PvE now, isn't that just tragic, and so it might add a few minutes here and there to kill enemies, big deal. Learn to adapt, examine ALL of the skills available to your characters, create new builds.

Killing enemy mobs that just stand around is no fun, so now they retreat and re-attack, as long as you don't chase them, switch targets more often, make them come back to you sooner. Play intelligently, which I understand is hard for a lot of people as they just can't grasp that concept. From what I've seen the enemy doesn't run around willy nilly, but will run away and return to combat, and not always before regaining health.

The chances of this update being rolled back, IMO, nill.

a few minutes? no more like a few hours added ... on top of frustration and people leaving.

voice your opinion in a RESPECTFUL manner ~ as Esuna stated previous - it'd be appreciated.

PieXags · Nov 11, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

You guys are right, I'm so sorry now you have to, you know, have some skill for PvE. Sorry it's halfway on it's way to being a challenge! Sorry it isn't a cakewalk anymore!

Honestly people, PvE was easy as shit. If you guys can't survive now that they move out of your precious AoE spells, or that it's harder to farm since things won't follow you now, BOO RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING HOO. Maybe they decided to, you know, make it somewhat challenging. If you can't work your way around this simple little update, you've not skill, or even a general knowledge of how to play the game. Find something else! Make a new build! Make 10 new builds!

Seriously peoples. It's not about how wicked 1337 you are because you're rich and farm like crazy, it's about playing the game and having fun. It's not like they nerfed any farming spots, they just nerfed the talentless ways to go about it.

Cheers.

apocalypse_xx · Nov 11, 2005, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

Oh gee, players are going to have to use their brains to play PvE now, isn't that just tragic, and so it might add a few minutes here and there to kill enemies, big deal. Learn to adapt, examine ALL of the skills available to your characters, create new builds.

Killing enemy mobs that just stand around is no fun, so now they retreat and re-attack, as long as you don't chase them, switch targets more often, make them come back to you sooner. Play intelligently, which I understand is hard for a lot of people as they just can't grasp that concept. From what I've seen the enemy doesn't run around willy nilly, but will run away and return to combat, and not always before regaining health.

The chances of this update being rolled back, IMO, nill.

Please do not insult me by telling me to use my brain and learn how to play PVE, I can adapt, as I always have, I am just tired of being made to feel that the way I choose to play GW is somehow wrong

yeaitsjim · Nov 11, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

Oh gee, players are going to have to use their brains to play PvE now, isn't that just tragic, and so it might add a few minutes here and there to kill enemies, big deal. Learn to adapt, examine ALL of the skills available to your characters, create new builds.

Killing enemy mobs that just stand around is no fun, so now they retreat and re-attack, as long as you don't chase them, switch targets more often, make them come back to you sooner. Play intelligently, which I understand is hard for a lot of people as they just can't grasp that concept. From what I've seen the enemy doesn't run around willy nilly, but will run away and return to combat, and not always before regaining health.

The chances of this update being rolled back, IMO, nill.

Are you saying the game wasn't challeging enough to this point? Humm, maybe you guys shoulda beta tested this one some more before ya did it...Cause I personally don't know what game you're playing not to see what some us do.

blueyoda · Nov 11, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

maybe it's easy as $#!* for people who spend half their life on their computer ... some people have lives, families, etc... that want a lil entertainment ~ this is a game ... sheesh what don't you understand?

I have friends that just started and died all the time, got frustrated till I helped them (before update) ... now they don't even wanna play so I felt I should (for once) come to a forum and voice my opinion hoping it would help.

wow .. marky, spoken like a ....... hmmmm blah

GWGuru · Nov 11, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by yeaitsjim

Legend of Zelda: Four Swords RPGamer Awards 2002: Overall RPG of the Year

Should I continue?

calling Zelda an RPG is a huge disjustice to the term RPG and all the RPG games that have been produced...but so be it. Guild Wars is an RPG...you're simply not equipped to play an RPG that requires a thought process.

Fantus · Nov 11, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by GWGuru

you could farm like everyone else does...I haven't found any problem since the patch farming Ettins, Griffons, Flesh Golems, Drakes, Trolls, Tengu Elite, Avacara....etc etc etc. I'm not sure why you have been.

Yes, I still can and do farm despite Anet is constantly waging war against what I do. My point was directed against those who tell me that "GW isn't meant to be farmed". If one day they succeed in killing farming in all halfway decent spots - how's the average player who can't win HoH supposed to get money?

PieXags · Nov 11, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by apocalypse_xx

Please do not insult me by telling me to use my brain and learn how to play PVE, I can adapt, as I always have, I am just tired of being made to feel that the way I choose to play GW is somehow wrong

You're looking at it the wrong way, apocalypse. Anet doesn't think your way of playing is wrong, they think the mobs were wrong for standing there getting the shit hammered into them when they could step five feet to the left and be safe. You can still play however the hell you want to play.

apocalypse_xx · Nov 11, 2005, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by PieXags

You're looking at it the wrong way, apocalypse. Anet doesn't think your way of playing is wrong, they think the mobs were wrong for standing there getting the shit hammered into them when they could step five feet to the left and be safe. You can still play however the hell you want to play.

I wish I could believe that, but how do explain the quote I posted from Gaile Gray?